We’re a small specialized construction/pipelining company with about 50 employees, but only 3 people currently using the CRM for sales. We expect that to grow to somewhere around 5–10 sales/account management users over the next few years.

We’ve been using Salesforce for about five years.
Salesforce has gotten us through, but I can’t say we’ve ever really loved it. The person who originally helped build and customize our Salesforce environment is no longer with us, and one of our biggest frustrations is that whenever we want to make changes, adjust workflows, or improve something, we need to use a Salesforce consultant.

Recently we started looking at Zoho.

We met with a Zoho consultant and Initially got pretty excited about it. Their position was basically that there is nothing we are currently doing in Salesforce that Zoho can’t handle.

The cost difference is significant. Depending on how we structure it, we’re looking at roughly a 50–75% reduction compared with what we are currently spending.

We also liked the idea of the larger Zoho ecosystem. CRM, Books, Inventory, etc. could potentially replace several separate applications we currently pay for and bring more of the business into one system.
We were pretty much ready to move forward.
Then I made the mistake of going down the Reddit rabbit hole.

I started finding posts from people saying Zoho is terrible, the UI is outdated or clunky, different Zoho applications don’t work together as seamlessly as you would expect, support isn’t great, and certain products seem like they were developed and then stopped receiving much attention.

That made me pump the brakes pretty hard.
I asked our Zoho consultant specifically about the UI concerns and, as expected, they feel those concerns are overblown and that Zoho has improved considerably.

But at this point I’m having a hard time separating a good sales/demo experience from what it’s actually like to live in the software every day for the next five years.
Our CRM needs aren’t really traditional high-volume sales.

We are a specialized commercial construction contractor.

A typical process is something like:
Lead comes in → qualification → site inspection → inspection processing/deficiency report → project planning/estimating → proposal → revisions/follow-up → contract → handoff to project management/operations → project completion/closeout.

Projects can be anywhere from relatively small jobs to $500k–$1M+ construction projects, so we care more about managing the entire opportunity and customer relationship than blasting thousands of leads with automated emails.

We need good workflows, task management, project/account visibility, reporting, estimating information, document management, and clean handoffs between sales, estimating/planning, and operations.

So I’m really looking for feedback from people who have ACTUALLY used Zoho, preferably people who have used both Zoho and Salesforce.

A few questions:

Is Zoho really as capable as the consultants claim?
Are the complaints about the UI legitimate enough that users actually dislike working in it, or is it mostly people being picky about design?

Do the different Zoho applications actually work well together, or does the “one ecosystem” idea look better in a demo than it works in reality?

How difficult is Zoho to administer internally? One of our goals is to stop needing a consultant every time we want to make a relatively simple change.

For a company with only 3 CRM users today and maybe 5–10 eventually, is Salesforce simply overkill?
Has anyone left Salesforce for Zoho and regretted it? Or made the switch and been happy they did?

Would we be better off spending the money to simplify/rebuild our existing Salesforce environment instead of migrating?

We’ve even considered building our own CRM/workflow system because we haven’t found anything that feels like it fits our business perfectly, but I also understand the potential nightmare of maintaining custom software long term.

I’m open to other CRM recommendations as well.
I’m not necessarily looking for the cheapest solution. I’m looking for something we can set up correctly, our employees will actually enjoy using, we can manage internally, and we won’t be trying to replace again three years from now.

Would really appreciate feedback from business owners/admins/users who have actually lived with these systems, especially anyone who has used both Salesforce and Zoho.

What would you choose if you were in our position?

We’re a small specialized construction/pipelining company with about 50 employees, but only 3 people currently using the CRM for sales. We expect that to grow to somewhere around 5–10 sales/account management users over the next few years.

We’ve been using Salesforce for about five years.
Salesforce has gotten us through, but I can’t say we’ve ever really loved it. The person who originally helped build and customize our Salesforce environment is no longer with us, and one of our biggest frustrations is that whenever we want to make changes, adjust workflows, or improve something, we need to use a Salesforce consultant.

Recently we started looking at Zoho.

We met with a Zoho consultant and Initially got pretty excited about it. Their position was basically that there is nothing we are currently doing in Salesforce that Zoho can’t handle.

The cost difference is significant. Depending on how we structure it, we’re looking at roughly a 50–75% reduction compared with what we are currently spending.

We also liked the idea of the larger Zoho ecosystem. CRM, Books, Inventory, etc. could potentially replace several separate applications we currently pay for and bring more of the business into one system.
We were pretty much ready to move forward.
Then I made the mistake of going down the Reddit rabbit hole.

I started finding posts from people saying Zoho is terrible, the UI is outdated or clunky, different Zoho applications don’t work together as seamlessly as you would expect, support isn’t great, and certain products seem like they were developed and then stopped receiving much attention.

That made me pump the brakes pretty hard.
I asked our Zoho consultant specifically about the UI concerns and, as expected, they feel those concerns are overblown and that Zoho has improved considerably.

But at this point I’m having a hard time separating a good sales/demo experience from what it’s actually like to live in the software every day for the next five years.
Our CRM needs aren’t really traditional high-volume sales.

We are a specialized commercial construction contractor.

A typical process is something like:
Lead comes in → qualification → site inspection → inspection processing/deficiency report → project planning/estimating → proposal → revisions/follow-up → contract → handoff to project management/operations → project completion/closeout.

Projects can be anywhere from relatively small jobs to $500k–$1M+ construction projects, so we care more about managing the entire opportunity and customer relationship than blasting thousands of leads with automated emails.

We need good workflows, task management, project/account visibility, reporting, estimating information, document management, and clean handoffs between sales, estimating/planning, and operations.

So I’m really looking for feedback from people who have ACTUALLY used Zoho, preferably people who have used both Zoho and Salesforce.

A few questions:

Is Zoho really as capable as the consultants claim?
Are the complaints about the UI legitimate enough that users actually dislike working in it, or is it mostly people being picky about design?

Do the different Zoho applications actually work well together, or does the “one ecosystem” idea look better in a demo than it works in reality?

How difficult is Zoho to administer internally? One of our goals is to stop needing a consultant every time we want to make a relatively simple change.

For a company with only 3 CRM users today and maybe 5–10 eventually, is Salesforce simply overkill?
Has anyone left Salesforce for Zoho and regretted it? Or made the switch and been happy they did?

Would we be better off spending the money to simplify/rebuild our existing Salesforce environment instead of migrating?

We’ve even considered building our own CRM/workflow system because we haven’t found anything that feels like it fits our business perfectly, but I also understand the potential nightmare of maintaining custom software long term.

I’m open to other CRM recommendations as well.
I’m not necessarily looking for the cheapest solution. I’m looking for something we can set up correctly, our employees will actually enjoy using, we can manage internally, and we won’t be trying to replace again three years from now.

Would really appreciate feedback from business owners/admins/users who have actually lived with these systems, especially anyone who has used both Salesforce and Zoho.

What would you choose if you were in our position?

Hi there. I'm researching how companies build hyper-personalized in-house solutions using AI to get off of big SaaS platforms like monday or salesforce. I'm curious to know if anyone here has any experience with that.

• Was the migration tough?
• Has it been a lasting solution?
• Are you happy with your new solution?
• What was the most challenging parts of building the solution and migrating to it?
• Is there need for constant services and care after the migration? Mainenance, upgrading, etc. If yes, how often and in what size of effort?

Thanks in advance for your attention.

Hi everyone,

I’m trying to understand the best way to manage follow-up calls after a customer places a new order in an online store.

At this stage, I’m not looking for specific CRM or AI tool recommendations. I first want to understand the process.

For those already doing this, what are the steps you currently use from the moment a new order comes in?

For example:

• How do you decide which new orders need a follow-up call?
• When is the best time to make the first call?
• How do you prioritize which customers to contact first?
• What information should the person or AI handling the call have before contacting the customer?
• What should the goal of the first follow-up call be?
• How do you record the result of the call?
• When should another follow-up be scheduled?
• At what point should you stop following up?
• Which parts of this process are best automated with AI, and which parts should still be handled by a person?
• What is considered the best workflow today for an online store?

I’d especially like to hear from people who already have a good process in place. I’m interested in understanding the steps, logic, and best practices first, before deciding which tools to use.

This is a weekly post for you to let out about something which happened this week for you in CRM that mattered: features, client requests that were either great or awful this week, and just generally chat CRM / CRM consulting chatter.

No self promo, just a place to share tales from the front-line of CRM!

Hi there. I'm researching how companies build hyper-personalized in-house solutions using AI to get off of big SaaS platforms like monday or salesforce. I'm curious to know if anyone here has any experience with that.

• Was the migration tough?
• Has it been a lasting solution?
• Are you happy with your new solution?
• What was the most challenging parts of building the solution and migrating to it?
• Is there need for constant services and care after the migration? Mainenance, upgrading, etc. If yes, how often and in what size of effort?

Thanks in advance for your attention.

Hi everyone,

I’m trying to understand the best way to manage follow-up calls after a customer places a new order in an online store.

At this stage, I’m not looking for specific CRM or AI tool recommendations. I first want to understand the process.

For those already doing this, what are the steps you currently use from the moment a new order comes in?

For example:

• How do you decide which new orders need a follow-up call?
• When is the best time to make the first call?
• How do you prioritize which customers to contact first?
• What information should the person or AI handling the call have before contacting the customer?
• What should the goal of the first follow-up call be?
• How do you record the result of the call?
• When should another follow-up be scheduled?
• At what point should you stop following up?
• Which parts of this process are best automated with AI, and which parts should still be handled by a person?
• What is considered the best workflow today for an online store?

I’d especially like to hear from people who already have a good process in place. I’m interested in understanding the steps, logic, and best practices first, before deciding which tools to use.

This is a weekly post for you to let out about something which happened this week for you in CRM that mattered: features, client requests that were either great or awful this week, and just generally chat CRM / CRM consulting chatter.

No self promo, just a place to share tales from the front-line of CRM!

I see a lot of small sales teams staying on spreadsheets much longer than expected.

At what point did it actually become a problem for your team?

Was it missed follow-ups, multiple people touching the same accounts, reporting, customer history, or just too much manual work?

Curious what specifically made you realize it was time to move to a CRM.

I see a lot of small sales teams staying on spreadsheets much longer than expected.

At what point did it actually become a problem for your team?

Was it missed follow-ups, multiple people touching the same accounts, reporting, customer history, or just too much manual work?

Curious what specifically made you realize it was time to move to a CRM.

Been looking at a bunch of AI tools for spotting companies that are actually close to buying, not just random lead lists. Feels like every demo says they can catch intent signals, funding, hiring, tech stack changes etc, but it’s hard to tell what’s real and what’s just slick marketing.

We get enough inbound already, but the problem is figuring out who to push on first without wasting time on junk. If anyone’s using something that’s actually helped, would love to hear it, thanks!

Been looking at a bunch of AI tools for spotting companies that are actually close to buying, not just random lead lists. Feels like every demo says they can catch intent signals, funding, hiring, tech stack changes etc, but it’s hard to tell what’s real and what’s just slick marketing.

We get enough inbound already, but the problem is figuring out who to push on first without wasting time on junk. If anyone’s using something that’s actually helped, would love to hear it, thanks!

Hello,

When I do any search for non-profit CRMs, I reliably only see feedback about how it works for development staff. I never see anyone review how they handle tracking program participant data of any kind (ie, tracking someone's progress through program phases, intaking program applications, etc.). You'd think more people would report on how their CRM does at, say, reporting how many people stayed in stable housing or the % growth in student test results or whatever other relevant topic a non-profit might have. I wonder if I'm biasing my search in some way that programs-focused reviews never seem to come up? I am curious if anyone has any experience using one tool for dual purposes:

1) Donor/Volunteer management

2) Programmatic documentation and reporting

If it helps to tailor the response, we have ~20k records on the development side and annually have about ~1k records on the program side.

CRM migrators/implementers/trainers: have you ever had a client come to you to move away from their own custom-coded CRM and migrate over to the platform you work with ?

Bonus question: what was the breaking point that made them realize coding their own system was a mistake ?

I just published the landing page for a mobile CRM called Stuvo. It’s designed for independent, solo operators and micro-businesses who still manage bookings, clients, and batches using paper notebooks or messy WhatsApp threads.

The app is explicitly built for these categories:

Private tutors and coaching centers

Wedding photographers and video studios

Dance academies and dance instructors

Music studios and music teachers

Yoga studios and yoga instructors

Makeup artists

Art studios and art teachers

Fitness studios, gyms, and personal trainers

Most business software defaults to heavy cloud sync, but I went with a 100% offline-first approach using React Native and a local on-device SQLite database. The goal is to make it open instantly with zero network lag on spotty mobile data, while keeping their client list entirely private on their phone.

I want to know if the core idea lands properly. Does a purely offline utility focus feel like a realistic trade-off over a standard cloud web app for these types of local businesses?

Web- stuvo.in

Any feedback on the concept or the positioning would be highly appreciated.

I’m based in the UK and looking for a modern sales/outbound tool or CRM that can help me:

• Find local leads
• Enrich contacts
• Send cold emails/sequences
• Call from a UK number
• Log calls/emails/notes properly in a CRM

I’ve looked at Apollo, but it seems you can only call from a US/Canada number unless you pay around £150/month for the Advanced Dialer add-on, which feels steep when I’m UK-based and need a UK caller ID.

Are there any good alternatives that combine lead finding, email outreach, UK calling, and CRM logging in one place? Or is the better setup something like Apollo/Instantly for data/email plus Close, Aircall, Ringover, etc. for UK calling?

Would appreciate any recommendations from UK-based sales teams or founders.

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Does anyone have a recommendation for a tool that monitors customer activity across channels (product usage, emails, support tickets, etc.) and flags accounts that are going quiet?

Want to get ahead of churn instead of reacting after the fact. Ideally looking for something with automated alerts or playbooks.

Would love to hear what's working for you!

Hey everyone,

I’m currently using Pipedrive Forms (via LeadBooster) to capture leads directly from my website. The issue I’m running into is that Pipedrive forms don't natively capture UTM parameters (source, medium, campaign) from the URL, which makes tracking marketing ROI super difficult.

I know this is a common Pipedrive limitation. What are you using as a workaround to get this data into Pipedrive?

So far, I've seen a few options mentioned:

• Using a third-party form tool (like Jotform or Gravity Forms) that feeds into Pipedrive via Zapier.
• Using Attributer to capture the data and map it to hidden fields.
• Custom JavaScript on the site to parse URL parameters and push them to Pipedrive fields via API.

What is the most stable/cost-effective method you've found?

Thanks!

I'm surprised by the number of people who are still in need of a custom CRM. I'm pretty picky with customers and always question requirements before I go ahead with them but most have such a niched out requirement that its hard to say no. Now, with AI especially I'm noticing alot of them want automations built in and integrated with various other tools which the current products aren't great at.

ANyone noticing the same?