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the private google sheet is still the real CRM at most small companies

i keep seeing the same pattern. the company has a CRM. the company also has a google sheet that everyone actually uses.

not because people are bad at using tools but because the sheet does three things really well: it’s fast, it’s flexible, and it doesn’t require a login.

the problem is that it doesn’t remind you to follow up. it doesn’t surface who you haven’t spoken to in two weeks. it doesn’t give you a reason to open it every morning.

so deals slip. not dramatically. just quietly.

curious whether others have actually solved this or whether the google sheet is still winning in your company too. and if you moved away from it, what actually made the difference?

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Software Engineer newly HubSpot Certified coming from Zoho & GoHighLevel and looking for hands-on experience

Hey r/hubspot,

​I'm a software engineer looking to dive head-first into the HubSpot ecosystem. I recently got my HubSpot certifications, but I know that certificates only mean so much without actual hands-on experience. I'm looking for freelance, contract, or entry-level roles where I can get some real reps in.

​For a little context, my background is heavy on the systems admin and automation side. I’ve spent the last couple of years working deep in Zoho CRM (and Zoho One) as well as GoHighLevel. Because of that, I'm already super comfortable with CRM architecture, data pipelines, and automation logic—I just need to translate those skills over to HubSpot.

​To give you an idea of the technical stuff I’ve been building, here are a few recent projects and areas of focus:

​GoHighLevel & Zoho Deployments: I handled an enterprise-level deployment of Zoho One, migrating data from GoHighLevel over to Zoho and translating the automation workflows. On the GHL side, I’ve built automated customer retention and re-sign campaigns, setting up custom call dispositions that automatically trigger downstream workflows to route calls and speed up lead processing by 90%.

​AI Voice & VoIP Integrations: I love messing with telephony. I’ve built a secure, custom VoIP network using Asterisk and FreePBX on a Debian 12 Google Cloud VPS. One of my favorite setups was connecting a local Grandstream PBX system to a Vapi AI receptionist for 24/7 automated call answering, routing contact logs straight into the CRM.

​Custom APIs & Webhooks: I developed a custom Node.js - Express API on Google Cloud to fully automate order fulfillment. I also have experience working with Twilio and the WhatsApp Business API to build out automated messaging pipelines.

​Cross-Platform Data Pipelines: I used n8n workflows and custom Google Apps Script to extract data from PerfexCRM straight into a Google Looker Studio KPI dashboard. I also built a secure API integration to sync expense data in real-time between Zoho Expense and ERPNext CRM.

​Backend Scripting & Servers: I wrote custom backend logic using Zoho Deluge script to calculate contractor revenue and salaries. I’ve also programmed Bash/PHP scripts on Linux CentOS 7 to scan, detect, and automatically purge malicious code from compromised servers.

​Industry Experience:

I’ve built these types of systems across a bunch of different verticals, so I understand the specific business logic for industries like Solar/Renewable Energy, Home Services, Logistics, E-commerce, and the Peptides industry.

​Basically, I love the backend, data plumbing, and API architecture side of things. Since I'm newer to HubSpot specifically, does anyone have advice on the best places to look for agencies or partners who might need a technical guy for custom integrations or Operations Hub work?

​I'd really appreciate any tips or pointers!

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Hubspot will sell your contacts base

Hubspot wants to monetize 'enrichment' feature by selling data you have collected to other companies. A massive red flag for me. I know enrichment tools get their base from somewhere, but the audacity... It is a no go for me, and we are moving elsewhere. Your thoughts?

"As we continue to improve our product and services, we’re making updates to our enrichment features and the choices you can make about your data. You are receiving this email because you have used HubSpot’s enrichment features.

On August 4, 2026, HubSpot is expanding its data discovery and intelligence features to bring more robust and reliable data to our customers. To power these tools, enrichment data such as business contact details, employer information, and email deliverability signals, may be shared with other customers."

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Best instantly alternative before my agency's sender rep completely tanks? Need something that handles Linkedln too

Running about 50k emails per week across client accounts. Instantly's warmup is fine but I'm hitting API limits trying to build custom reports, amd their A/B testing is basically useless support takes days to respond.

Tried Smartlead for the subsequences and webhooks. UI felt clunky and deliverability dropped even with proper warmup. Not sure if it's the tool or my setup.

Also juggling Apollo for data(bounce rates is killing me) and separate Linkedln tool. Too many moving parts.

Someone mentioned warmySender for the peer-to-peer warmup and built-in verification. $15/mo with Linkedln seats as add-ons. Haven't pulled the trigger yet.

What's your stack look like at this volume? Especially if you're managing multiple clientvdomains and need Linkedln running alongside email.

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After building a CRM for the last 5 years, here's one thing I think most platforms get wrong.

I've spent the last few years building a CRM from the ground up, and one thing that surprised me is how many platforms are really just collections of unrelated modules glued together. What initially started as a CRM essentially became a business operating system.

You'll have customers in one place, scheduling somewhere else, dispatch living in its own world, invoicing in another system, marketing bolted on later, and payroll handled by something completely different. It works...until you start trying to make those pieces communicate with each other.

I eventually stopped thinking about building "features" and started thinking about building a business domain.

A customer shouldn't exist five different times across five different modules. There should be one customer entity. A work order shouldn't be copied into dispatch, invoicing, reporting, and marketing. It should be the same object moving through different stages of the business.

Once I started designing it that way, a lot of things became simpler.

A lead comes in---they become a customer.

A customer schedules a job.

Dispatch assigns the technician.

The technician updates the work order from the field.

Completing the work automatically updates reporting, revenue, payroll, customer history, and marketing because every module is referencing the same business object instead of trying to synchronize duplicate records.

The same philosophy applied to employees.

Most CRMs treat everyone like they're just another user account.

That never made much sense to me.

A road technician has a completely different workflow than a dispatcher. A dispatcher doesn't need the same interface as accounting. Sales shouldn't have payroll permissions.

Instead of one generic user model, I built role-specific workflows backed by RBAC so permissions are enforced on the server, not just hidden in the UI. Technicians authenticate differently than office employees because they're solving different problems.

One thing I learned pretty quickly is that architecture decisions matter a lot more than feature count.

Adding another button is easy.

Designing a data model that can support years of new features without becoming a maintenance nightmare is the hard part.

I'd rather spend an extra week redesigning a database relationship than spend the next three years working around a bad decision. 💯

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Help me fix CRM redundancy

Hello all, currently our team is using jobber and hubspot. For clarity we are a window and kitchen installer/distributor. We use jobber for creating quotes, schedules, jobs, and we get all our financial data through there. We just starting using hubspot as a way to track customer communication because there were gaps from our sales team that needed to be tracked.

The main issue i'm already seeing is multiple entries of clients and redundancy. Currently when customer information comes in we create the client in jobber, create the client as a company in hubspot (even if they are a homeowner) and then create the client again with the same information as a contact and associate it to the company.

Somewhere in this process we create a quote in jobber for the customer and also create a deal in hubspot so we can associate communication through the deal. This is where the issue lies is doing everything twice, I am trying to solve for this problem. Currently it doesn't seem possible to quote through hubspot at least now cost wise, i've been looking into jobbers client communication side of things and can't seem to find if its good or not.

There are also redundancies when it comes to writing out orders and invoicing but that is for another time.

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[Weekly] CRM Rant/Rave Thread - What's great/awful in CRM for you this week?

This is a weekly post for you to let out about something which happened this week for you in CRM that mattered: features, client requests that were either great or awful this week, and just generally chat CRM / CRM consulting chatter.

No self promo, just a place to share tales from the front-line of CRM!

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The least crowded lane in cold outreach is the one that actually requires effort.

Volume + generic copy scaled fast because it felt like a cheat code. Everyone piled in. Reply rates tanked. The cheat code is now just the default, which means it's not a cheat code anymore, it's just noise.

Prospect research never got crowded because it takes real time. Checking what someone posted last week. Noticing they just hired three engineers or expanded into a new market. Finding the one line that makes the email feel like it was written specifically for that person and not pasted from a sequence template.

Nobody automated that part well enough to flood it. So it stayed open.

Shortcuts get you into a lot of inboxes. Research gets you a reply.

The funny thing is the research part is also the part that's actually gotten easier to automate recently, not the blasting part. Blasting a thousand emails was always easy. Finding the right signal for each person at scale was the bottleneck, and that bottleneck is mostly gone now if you're using the right setup.

The lane is still open. Most people are too busy blasting to notice.

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For stale CRM records, what tells you a contact is worth reviving?

In vertical sales teams, old records sit untouched because notes, timing, ownership, and follow-up context are scattered. For teams that actually revive old contacts, what fields or context determine "contact now" versus "leave alone"? What does your CRM fail to show at the moment someone needs to write the follow-up?

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CRM help for Events Agency

I run an events agency and am struggling to find a CRM that may work for my business. Truthfully I think what I am looking for, doesn't exist. I have tried a few creative specific ones (dubaso, wedola, boda) and some general ones (hubspot, monday & zoho). For the creative specific ones, I struggle as they are created for specific roles e.g. photographers etc. For the general ones, I struggle with the cost per seat as I only need 1 seat most of the year and a 2 seats during peak periods.

I think part of the reason I am struggling is what my perfect CRM is doesn't exist and what I am looking for is very specific. However I am happy to work with a CRM that may not meet everything if I can reduce my reliance on about 4 spreadsheets and am using googledrive for sharing documents with clients.

I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions , I have noted below my needs/wants.

Needs

- Customer portal where they can view documents. They don't need the ability to edit them but if they can download documents, this would be great

- Lead forms that integrate into the CRM

- Lead Status Tracker

Wants

- Ability to create automations .e.g. follow up emails

- Ability to send customer's messages via the portal and it send them an email with the information. [Bonus points, if they can reply to the email and it appear on the portal.]

- Sales dashboard (ability to pull stats and to also compare against the forecast)

- Ability to add and track contact details for suppliers without adding them as clients.
- Ability to create proposals within the CRM

- Mobile App would be amazing.

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Should i actually go for RE specific CRM or generic will work fine?

I have been going back and forth with this. i thought of starting with generic crm like Salesforce but as per the suggestion from my business friends, i should go with dedicated real estate crm as it already has list stacking, drip campaign and buyer management built for this exact business. what's everyone else running? I am genuinely curious if i am missing something.

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Best CRM Recommendations?

Hi All,

We have recently been testing GHL and have found a few limitations and are just now exploring additional options on CRM alternatives based on our current structure.

Core requirements:

  • Email conversations with reliable reply threading (this is our current platform's biggest pain point)
  • SMS and WhatsApp conversations
  • Inbound and outbound calling
  • Landing page builder
  • Lead capture via webhook/API (from WordPress Gravity Forms and a Live Chat tool)
  • Calendar / appointment booking
  • Marketing attribution - tracking a lead from first click (paid, organic, social) through to closed sale

Multi-brand / multi-user structure (our key requirement):

We operate 9 distinct brands across 4 regions under one company, each region has one primary brand plus several secondary brands (some owned, some reseller relationships).

We don't need client-facing logins or portals per brand, this is purely internal.

What we do need:

  • Reps working across multiple brands in the same session
  • Outbound emails/SMS/WhatsApp sent under the correct brand identity and domain automatically, based on which brand the lead belongs to
  • Access scoped by team: each regional team covers its own region's brands
  • Reporting and attribution split cleanly by brand, not just company-wide

We're currently at 15 users, with room to grow.
Just wondering what people would recommend for this type of setup, or if anyone has anything that has worked quite well / or pitfalls etc

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GHL vs Bitrix24?

Curious on Bitrix24 - we had been working with GHL but are finding the Conversation section (particularly email) had some real major flaws / limitations (particularly the reply threading).

One of the main drawcards to GHL was the pricing structure... We operate 9 distinct brands across 4 regions under one company, each region has one primary brand plus several secondary brands (some owned, some reseller relationships), with regional staff looking after each brand (eg AU staff covering 5 brands, US staff covering 4 etc) we were finding that the user seat costs was pushing up significantly in other platforms....

So the question:
- I can see Bitrix24 has an enterprise plan which specified unlimited "branches" and 250 users
- For the component of the branches are these all able to be setup under the one enterprise account, or would we have to have 9 seperate accounts which all have to be billed individually??

If there are any glaring problems with Bitrix that would be great to hear also

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Pricing Advice Needed for an AI-Powered CRM with WhatsApp Integration (targeting US mid-size companies)

Me and my partner built a CRM that's basically fully AI driven — lead scoring, auto summaries, AI replies — and it connects to WhatsApp Business directly, plus the normal CRM stuff. Trying to sell to US companies in the 50-500 employee range first.

Still not sure on pricing. Right now thinking something like $80-100/user monthly for smaller teams, dropping to maybe $40-60/user once you're past 100 seats. For AI usage I want to give some credits free then charge per use after, don't want the heavy users to kill our margins if we just charge flat. WhatsApp messaging would be billed separately, basically pass the cost plus a bit extra. Also thinking a one time setup fee, $1500-5000ish, for onboarding and getting the AI trained on their data.

Worried this ends up feeling like a million different charges though. Anyone dealt with pricing AI features separately from the base plan? Does that scare off mid-market buyers or is it normal now? Also not sure if the setup fee is even worth charging anymore or if people expect free onboarding.

Would genuinely appreciate any input from people who've actually changed their pricing around AI stuff and seen how customers reacted.

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What’s replacing traditional ridealongs?

I get why they’ve been around forever being in the field with a rep tells you a lot you’d never see in a CRM. But it’s also a pretty expensive way to learn what happened on one or two conversations. A lot of sales managers are already stretched across too many reps, too many locations, and too many follow-ups. Spending half the day in the car just to catch a small sample of conversations feels harder to justify now. I’ve been seeing Rilla come up more in this conversation. I wanted to know what teams are doing instead, are managers still riding along as much or are more teams moving toward recorded conversations, call reviews and coaching reps after the fact?

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If I decide to build CRMs for different businesses is it still worthy in 2026 how would I find clients?

Like if companies can make it using AI like claude and the such why would they buy it from someone like me?
Is it still worth it in 2026 and if yes how would one be able to narrow it down and find the right niche according to the demand in today’s market?

Please give me your thoughts on this one guys im very curious

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Software to track individual attendee history across events, without Wild Apricot pricing?

We're a small nonprofit that runs a lot of events. Free monthly mixers (70 to 100 people), members-only events, and professional development events that are free/discounted for members and full price for non-members.

Right now we use DonorBox because it's free and lets us set up each event separately. It works fine for registration and payments. The problem is attendance tracking.

We can see who attended a single event and export that to Excel. What we can't do is pull up one person and see every event they've attended over time. And the bigger issue: DonorBox only credits the ticket purchaser. So if one person buys 5 tickets for their friends, we only see the buyer as an attendee. The other 5 people are invisible in our records.

We want something that automatically ties attendance to each individual attendee, not just the purchaser, and rolls it into their profile. That way we can see how engaged each member and non-member is across events over time.

We looked at Wild Apricot and it does what we need, but at our volume the pricing gets close to $400/month, which we can't do.

For scale: 500 to 1,500 total contacts (members and non-members combined). Budget needs to be well under Wild Apricot. Open to either replacing DonorBox entirely or adding a tool alongside it.

Anyone using something that handles this without breaking the bank? Would love real recommendations from people running similar event volume.

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