We’re a small specialized construction/pipelining company with about 50 employees, but only 3 people currently using the CRM for sales. We expect that to grow to somewhere around 5–10 sales/account management users over the next few years.
We’ve been using Salesforce for about five years. Salesforce has gotten us through, but I can’t say we’ve ever really loved it. The person who originally helped build and customize our Salesforce environment is no longer with us, and one of our biggest frustrations is that whenever we want to make changes, adjust workflows, or improve something, we need to use a Salesforce consultant.
Recently we started looking at Zoho.
We met with a Zoho consultant and Initially got pretty excited about it. Their position was basically that there is nothing we are currently doing in Salesforce that Zoho can’t handle.
The cost difference is significant. Depending on how we structure it, we’re looking at roughly a 50–75% reduction compared with what we are currently spending.
We also liked the idea of the larger Zoho ecosystem. CRM, Books, Inventory, etc. could potentially replace several separate applications we currently pay for and bring more of the business into one system. We were pretty much ready to move forward. Then I made the mistake of going down the Reddit rabbit hole.
I started finding posts from people saying Zoho is terrible, the UI is outdated or clunky, different Zoho applications don’t work together as seamlessly as you would expect, support isn’t great, and certain products seem like they were developed and then stopped receiving much attention.
That made me pump the brakes pretty hard. I asked our Zoho consultant specifically about the UI concerns and, as expected, they feel those concerns are overblown and that Zoho has improved considerably.
But at this point I’m having a hard time separating a good sales/demo experience from what it’s actually like to live in the software every day for the next five years. Our CRM needs aren’t really traditional high-volume sales.
We are a specialized commercial construction contractor.
A typical process is something like: Lead comes in → qualification → site inspection → inspection processing/deficiency report → project planning/estimating → proposal → revisions/follow-up → contract → handoff to project management/operations → project completion/closeout.
Projects can be anywhere from relatively small jobs to $500k–$1M+ construction projects, so we care more about managing the entire opportunity and customer relationship than blasting thousands of leads with automated emails.
We need good workflows, task management, project/account visibility, reporting, estimating information, document management, and clean handoffs between sales, estimating/planning, and operations.
So I’m really looking for feedback from people who have ACTUALLY used Zoho, preferably people who have used both Zoho and Salesforce.
A few questions:
Is Zoho really as capable as the consultants claim? Are the complaints about the UI legitimate enough that users actually dislike working in it, or is it mostly people being picky about design?
Do the different Zoho applications actually work well together, or does the “one ecosystem” idea look better in a demo than it works in reality?
How difficult is Zoho to administer internally? One of our goals is to stop needing a consultant every time we want to make a relatively simple change.
For a company with only 3 CRM users today and maybe 5–10 eventually, is Salesforce simply overkill? Has anyone left Salesforce for Zoho and regretted it? Or made the switch and been happy they did?
Would we be better off spending the money to simplify/rebuild our existing Salesforce environment instead of migrating?
We’ve even considered building our own CRM/workflow system because we haven’t found anything that feels like it fits our business perfectly, but I also understand the potential nightmare of maintaining custom software long term.
I’m open to other CRM recommendations as well. I’m not necessarily looking for the cheapest solution. I’m looking for something we can set up correctly, our employees will actually enjoy using, we can manage internally, and we won’t be trying to replace again three years from now.
Would really appreciate feedback from business owners/admins/users who have actually lived with these systems, especially anyone who has used both Salesforce and Zoho.
What would you choose if you were in our position?
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Hi there. I'm researching how companies build hyper-personalized in-house solutions using AI to get off of big SaaS platforms like monday or salesforce. I'm curious to know if anyone here has any experience with that.
Was the migration tough?
Has it been a lasting solution?
Are you happy with your new solution?
What was the most challenging parts of building the solution and migrating to it?
Is there need for constant services and care after the migration? Mainenance, upgrading, etc. If yes, how often and in what size of effort?
I’m trying to understand the best way to manage follow-up calls after a customer places a new order in an online store.
At this stage, I’m not looking for specific CRM or AI tool recommendations. I first want to understand the process.
For those already doing this, what are the steps you currently use from the moment a new order comes in?
For example:
How do you decide which new orders need a follow-up call?
When is the best time to make the first call?
How do you prioritize which customers to contact first?
What information should the person or AI handling the call have before contacting the customer?
What should the goal of the first follow-up call be?
How do you record the result of the call?
When should another follow-up be scheduled?
At what point should you stop following up?
Which parts of this process are best automated with AI, and which parts should still be handled by a person?
What is considered the best workflow today for an online store?
I’d especially like to hear from people who already have a good process in place. I’m interested in understanding the steps, logic, and best practices first, before deciding which tools to use.
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